ot giant steps down before crash

I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

At 50 billion dollars of personal net worth he doesn't need to abandon anything. The day you have more money than your bank you can talk.
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

Bill announced long ago that he was moving away from running the company full time, this is no surprise.

They are badly designed abominations

Then why do you persist in using them? Why are you not perusing the nix groups instead?
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

(Forgive me if the is a duplicate post) If you are only here to flame- GO AWAY- this newsgroup is for Vista beta users to ask questions-go to your favorite flameing home and rant there. The people helping here do not need your BS.
"Rick Rogers" wrote:

Bill announced long ago that he was moving away from running the company full time, this is no surprise.
They are badly designed abominations
Then why do you persist in using them? Why are you not perusing the nix groups instead?
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

I'll assume you are talking to the original poster and not me (whom you responded to).
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
"daddy3" wrote in message

(Forgive me if the is a duplicate post) If you are only here to flame- GO AWAY- this newsgroup is for Vista beta users to ask questions-go to your favorite flameing home and rant there. The people helping here do not need your BS.
"Rick Rogers" wrote:
Bill announced long ago that he was moving away from running the company full time, this is no surprise.
They are badly designed abominations
Then why do you persist in using them? Why are you not perusing the nix groups instead?
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

John--
If Bill Gates had done nothing more than make the profound difference he has with the contributions of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and specifically to medicine, that would have been a life time accomplishement that few people obtain and the medical communities on this planet couldn't.
There are a number of people who have been showing up very early in the day at MSFT who have not needed to work at any regular job (money wise) for the rest of their lives whose names you never hear..
Vista needs work and feature changes, including to retain some of the features in XP as options, but it is not in any way "badly designed" or an abomination. To believe that you would have to really sell these people short. I find plenty to criticize and change but badly designed abomination isn't any kind of description for Vista or Office 2007 that I have been working with that's credible.
CH

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

Yes I was refering to the original posting and it did not quote all posts together-buggy today
"Rick Rogers" wrote:

I'll assume you are talking to the original poster and not me (whom you responded to).
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
"daddy3" wrote in message (Forgive me if the is a duplicate post) If you are only here to flame- GO AWAY- this newsgroup is for Vista beta users to ask questions-go to your favorite flameing home and rant there. The people helping here do not need your BS.
"Rick Rogers" wrote:
Bill announced long ago that he was moving away from running the company full time, this is no surprise.
They are badly designed abominations
Then why do you persist in using them? Why are you not perusing the nix groups instead?
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

Nice reply, Chad. Short, concise, pithy. I agree thoroughly.
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:50:48 -0400, "Chad Harris" wrote:

John--
If Bill Gates had done nothing more than make the profound difference he has with the contributions of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and specifically to medicine, that would have been a life time accomplishement that few people obtain and the medical communities on this planet couldn't.
There are a number of people who have been showing up very early in the day at MSFT who have not needed to work at any regular job (money wise) for the rest of their lives whose names you never hear..
Vista needs work and feature changes, including to retain some of the features in XP as options, but it is not in any way "badly designed" or an abomination. To believe that you would have to really sell these people short. I find plenty to criticize and change but badly designed abomination isn't any kind of description for Vista or Office 2007 that I have been working with that's credible.
CH

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

You are kinda stupid, like the person who thought up the idea for the office ribbon and vista start menu!!!
This newsgroup says "GENERAL". What does that mean? Well it means I can talk about anything I want related to vista. This is not a moderated group (Thank God), and it IS usenet, that is free for everyone to say what he thinks.
"daddy3" wrote in message

Yes I was refering to the original posting and it did not quote all posts together-buggy today
"Rick Rogers" wrote:
I'll assume you are talking to the original poster and not me (whom you responded to).
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
"daddy3" wrote in message (Forgive me if the is a duplicate post) If you are only here to flame- GO AWAY- this newsgroup is for Vista beta users to ask questions-go to your favorite flameing home and rant there. The people helping here do not need your BS.
"Rick Rogers" wrote:
Bill announced long ago that he was moving away from running the company full time, this is no surprise.
They are badly designed abominations
Then why do you persist in using them? Why are you not perusing the nix groups instead?
-- Best of Luck,
Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

Bill Gates knows very well that he can do as many things simultaneously as he can imagine, and still make sure that he is successful in all of them. There is one catch though to accomplish this.
You have to have a desire and vision and emotion tied with all projects.
The core of the problem is that he has LOST INTEREST in MS, and it shows. It started out with the fanfare of longhorn where great things would come to the computing world, and it turned out to become vista??? (an abomination.. lol thats the best description, if you compare it with what it started out to be and what it could have been)
I have to tell you this but Gates could contribute more to the world if he did it his way, with technology. And I am not talking about windows or office. There could be other ways. But he disregarded the "free laptop for each child of the third world" initiative. Why? I see that this thing could truly change the world for the better.
Something is fishy... and its starting to smell. You will see what I mean in a couple of years.... Its too soon now, that's why you see my post as only an eccentric rant. But its not.
I am not wrong about this. Mark my words. Vista will do such harm to Microsoft, that they will need years to recover.

"Chad Harris" wrote in message

John--
If Bill Gates had done nothing more than make the profound difference he has with the contributions of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and specifically to medicine, that would have been a life time accomplishement that few people obtain and the medical communities on this planet couldn't.
There are a number of people who have been showing up very early in the day at MSFT who have not needed to work at any regular job (money wise) for the rest of their lives whose names you never hear..
Vista needs work and feature changes, including to retain some of the features in XP as options, but it is not in any way "badly designed" or an abomination. To believe that you would have to really sell these people short. I find plenty to criticize and change but badly designed abomination isn't any kind of description for Vista or Office 2007 that I have been working with that's credible.
CH

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

So only people with 50 billion in the bank allowed to talk now? How about only people with power?
You should let a moustache grow and then shave it on the sides, left and right.. leaving a small part under the nose. Then you will look more like a person who had similar ideas.
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

At 50 billion dollars of personal net worth he doesn't need to abandon anything. The day you have more money than your bank you can talk.
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...

Both Office 2007 and Vista will be out long before July 2008--so if they're the ones to cause the boat to sink, Bill will still be around to watch it happen.

This is not a moderated group (Thank God), and it IS usenet, that is free for everyone to say what he thinks.

There's also broad guidelines that people with a tiny bit of common sense and courtesy try to adhere to. While you might be free to act like a jackass, you shouldn't expect people to like it very much. Usenet, with its 100K+ separate newsgroups, is split into a hierarchy for good reasons.
I'm not saying your initial post was inappropriate for this group (especially since you used the obligatory OT right in the subject line), and some would find relevance with Vista; I'm just objecting in particular to the overly broad statement I quoted above; the only thing these sort of statements accomplish is encourage the n00bs to follow that lead--and then they'll try to defend their position by saying that exact same thing. I've seen it over and over again. I don't necessarily think you're a newsgroup n00b, but by spewing this sort of thing, others will probably do.
So, please stop using this tired defense.

"Gates explained that he has been working part-time for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and full-time for a company that has made him the richest man in the world, and he wished to reverse those priorities."
Now I don't how true the above statement is but if he wants to take more time to helping people through the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation, then more power to him.
John Jay Smith, do you hate Microsoft so much that you didn't see this statement or are you just anti-social and don't care?
"John Jay Smith" wrote:

I have stated before what I think the future will be for Microsoft with vista and office 2007 .... They are badly designed abominations... and it seems that Gates is getting out of the boat before it sinks...
http://news.com.com/Gates+stepping+down+from+full-time+Microsoft+role/2100-1014_3-6084396.html?tag=nl.e498

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:34 +0300, "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote:

Bill Gates knows very well that he can do as many things simultaneously as he can imagine, and still make sure that he is successful in all of them. There is one catch though to accomplish this.
You have to have a desire and vision and emotion tied with all projects.
The core of the problem is that he has LOST INTEREST in MS, and it shows. It started out with the fanfare of longhorn where great things would come to the computing world, and it turned out to become vista??? (an abomination.. lol thats the best description, if you compare it with what it started out to be and what it could have been)

Mr. Gates is a realist, sir. He opted for an OS he could actually RELEASE over one he would have to wait years for, and which might not ever come to fruition

I have to tell you this but Gates could contribute more to the world if he did it his way, with technology. And I am not talking about windows or office. There could be other ways. But he disregarded the "free laptop for each child of the third world" initiative. Why? I see that this thing could truly change the world for the better.

"Free laptop..." What an idiotic idea!!! Those "free laptops" would be useless without truly universal broadband coverage and electrification.
In addition those Third-world children do not even have clean water to drink. And YOU want to give them a mostly-useless laptop.
Geeze, man! Many of those "children in the Third World" don't even KNOW what a laptop is. Hand them one, and they will probably use it to sell for food, which in their case, would be the best use one could put it to.

Something is fishy... and its starting to smell. You will see what I mean in a couple of years.... Its too soon now, that's why you see my post as only an eccentric rant. But its not.
I am not wrong about this. Mark my words. Vista will do such harm to Microsoft, that they will need years to recover.

Your words remind me of posts I read in CSMA (comp.sys.mac.advocacy). Many long-time Mac users are completely sure that Steve Jobs did the wrong thing by changing hardware platforms to Intel. They believe that EVERYTHING "evil" about Wintels will migrate to their precious Macs. And when Mr. Jobs released Boot Camp software to enable Windows to run natively on an Apple Intel machine, they thought that he was the "antichrist revealed".
They thought and said the same things when Apple went from the 68xxx machines to the PPC chips.
Some people just don't like change, and are not willing to admit it.
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I remember Apple IIe users who cursed the Mac.
"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:34 +0300, "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote:
Bill Gates knows very well that he can do as many things simultaneously as he can imagine, and still make sure that he is successful in all of them. There is one catch though to accomplish this.
You have to have a desire and vision and emotion tied with all projects.
The core of the problem is that he has LOST INTEREST in MS, and it shows. It started out with the fanfare of longhorn where great things would come to the computing world, and it turned out to become vista??? (an abomination.. lol thats the best description, if you compare it with what it started out to be and what it could have been)
Mr. Gates is a realist, sir. He opted for an OS he could actually RELEASE over one he would have to wait years for, and which might not ever come to fruition
I have to tell you this but Gates could contribute more to the world if he did it his way, with technology. And I am not talking about windows or office. There could be other ways. But he disregarded the "free laptop for each child of the third world" initiative. Why? I see that this thing could truly change the world for the better.
"Free laptop..." What an idiotic idea!!! Those "free laptops" would be useless without truly universal broadband coverage and electrification.
In addition those Third-world children do not even have clean water to drink. And YOU want to give them a mostly-useless laptop.
Geeze, man! Many of those "children in the Third World" don't even KNOW what a laptop is. Hand them one, and they will probably use it to sell for food, which in their case, would be the best use one could put it to.
Something is fishy... and its starting to smell. You will see what I mean in a couple of years.... Its too soon now, that's why you see my post as only an eccentric rant. But its not.
I am not wrong about this. Mark my words. Vista will do such harm to Microsoft, that they will need years to recover.
Your words remind me of posts I read in CSMA (comp.sys.mac.advocacy). Many long-time Mac users are completely sure that Steve Jobs did the wrong thing by changing hardware platforms to Intel. They believe that EVERYTHING "evil" about Wintels will migrate to their precious Macs. And when Mr. Jobs released Boot Camp software to enable Windows to run natively on an Apple Intel machine, they thought that he was the "antichrist revealed".
They thought and said the same things when Apple went from the 68xxx machines to the PPC chips.
Some people just don't like change, and are not willing to admit it.
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:00:16 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

I remember Apple IIe users who cursed the Mac.

Those Apple fanatics! I just can't understand them, and I've been using an Apple (first a PPC, now an Intel iMac) since 2004.
From reading comp.sys.mac.advocacy, they seem to LOVE to curse themselves and anyone else who comes around, especially anyone they perceive as a "Windows fanboi".
Strange sort of fellows, those Mac fanatics...

"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:34 +0300, "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote:
Bill Gates knows very well that he can do as many things simultaneously as he can imagine, and still make sure that he is successful in all of them. There is one catch though to accomplish this.
You have to have a desire and vision and emotion tied with all projects.
The core of the problem is that he has LOST INTEREST in MS, and it shows. It started out with the fanfare of longhorn where great things would come to the computing world, and it turned out to become vista??? (an abomination.. lol thats the best description, if you compare it with what it started out to be and what it could have been)
Mr. Gates is a realist, sir. He opted for an OS he could actually RELEASE over one he would have to wait years for, and which might not ever come to fruition
I have to tell you this but Gates could contribute more to the world if he did it his way, with technology. And I am not talking about windows or office. There could be other ways. But he disregarded the "free laptop for each child of the third world" initiative. Why? I see that this thing could truly change the world for the better.
"Free laptop..." What an idiotic idea!!! Those "free laptops" would be useless without truly universal broadband coverage and electrification.
In addition those Third-world children do not even have clean water to drink. And YOU want to give them a mostly-useless laptop.
Geeze, man! Many of those "children in the Third World" don't even KNOW what a laptop is. Hand them one, and they will probably use it to sell for food, which in their case, would be the best use one could put it to.
Something is fishy... and its starting to smell. You will see what I mean in a couple of years.... Its too soon now, that's why you see my post as only an eccentric rant. But its not.
I am not wrong about this. Mark my words. Vista will do such harm to Microsoft, that they will need years to recover.
Your words remind me of posts I read in CSMA (comp.sys.mac.advocacy). Many long-time Mac users are completely sure that Steve Jobs did the wrong thing by changing hardware platforms to Intel. They believe that EVERYTHING "evil" about Wintels will migrate to their precious Macs. And when Mr. Jobs released Boot Camp software to enable Windows to run natively on an Apple Intel machine, they thought that he was the "antichrist revealed".
They thought and said the same things when Apple went from the 68xxx machines to the PPC chips.
Some people just don't like change, and are not willing to admit it.
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It's a seige mentality. They have been seeing market share shrink recently. That would be disturbing to anyone. I used to be an Amiga user so I know the feeling. What I hate to see is the folks who think that running down others builds up one's own worthiness. Sad. They pay quite a premium (in dollars) for their insulation from the mainstream. The irony is that even as they castigate Gates for making money they spend even more of their own money just to be un-Windows.
"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:00:16 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst" colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote:
I remember Apple IIe users who cursed the Mac.
Those Apple fanatics! I just can't understand them, and I've been using an Apple (first a PPC, now an Intel iMac) since 2004.
From reading comp.sys.mac.advocacy, they seem to LOVE to curse themselves and anyone else who comes around, especially anyone they perceive as a "Windows fanboi".
Strange sort of fellows, those Mac fanatics...
"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:19:34 +0300, "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote:
Bill Gates knows very well that he can do as many things simultaneously as he can imagine, and still make sure that he is successful in all of them. There is one catch though to accomplish this.
You have to have a desire and vision and emotion tied with all projects.
The core of the problem is that he has LOST INTEREST in MS, and it shows. It started out with the fanfare of longhorn where great things would come to the computing world, and it turned out to become vista??? (an abomination.. lol thats the best description, if you compare it with what it started out to be and what it could have been)
Mr. Gates is a realist, sir. He opted for an OS he could actually RELEASE over one he would have to wait years for, and which might not ever come to fruition
I have to tell you this but Gates could contribute more to the world if he did it his way, with technology. And I am not talking about windows or office. There could be other ways. But he disregarded the "free laptop for each child of the third world" initiative. Why? I see that this thing could truly change the world for the better.
"Free laptop..." What an idiotic idea!!! Those "free laptops" would be useless without truly universal broadband coverage and electrification.
In addition those Third-world children do not even have clean water to drink. And YOU want to give them a mostly-useless laptop.
Geeze, man! Many of those "children in the Third World" don't even KNOW what a laptop is. Hand them one, and they will probably use it to sell for food, which in their case, would be the best use one could put it to.
Something is fishy... and its starting to smell. You will see what I mean in a couple of years.... Its too soon now, that's why you see my post as only an eccentric rant. But its not.
I am not wrong about this. Mark my words. Vista will do such harm to Microsoft, that they will need years to recover.
Your words remind me of posts I read in CSMA (comp.sys.mac.advocacy). Many long-time Mac users are completely sure that Steve Jobs did the wrong thing by changing hardware platforms to Intel. They believe that EVERYTHING "evil" about Wintels will migrate to their precious Macs. And when Mr. Jobs released Boot Camp software to enable Windows to run natively on an Apple Intel machine, they thought that he was the "antichrist revealed".
They thought and said the same things when Apple went from the 68xxx machines to the PPC chips.
Some people just don't like change, and are not willing to admit it.
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